NYC: A Painting Of Ossama As Christ-Figure
Will this painting ignite the same controversy over the Danish cartoons? let's wait and see.
posted by Hannibal | 11:18 AM
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7 Comments:
i doubt it, christians don't care much abt their savior as we do for our prophet, especially when it comes to cartoons.
I don't think so Napo may be in Canada they don't care about religion where they even sell Churches to transform them into restaurants or gyms:) Here in the USA people are religious. There is a cartoon programme called the Family Guy and in one of the episodes they showed the virgin mary with blood coming out because she was having her periods. The crowd in the cartoon were flabbergasted saying that was a miracle. The squence created a roar and the TV Channel broadcasting it was forced to retrieve it:)))Everything is relative though I guess.
Hannibal, you're right, especially deep in the country side. I remember driving one time from Vegas to Utah, and during the entire trip, i could only get 'family value oriented' radio stations!
Yes, everything is relative, la ferveur de religion chez les musulamsn is by far more accentuated.
Do you think Moslems will be offended by that, Hannibal? Or do you really expect westerners to react like Arab moslems?
I'm not following your logic. You keep bringing up correct responses to offensive material and comparing them to death threats, embassy closings, etc...
Craig: I couldn't get the meaning of the second part of your comment. with respect to this first part I think the situation here is completely different in many respects let me start with this:
First: Islam forbids the portrayal of the Prophet (PBUH) which is not the case for Christianity where Jesus Christ (PBUH)can be represented in painting, sculpture etc. So here it is a question of principle.
Second: I think moslems at least the moderate ones will find this painting offensive given the fact again that the portrayal of Prophets is forbidden including Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc but I am not going to indulge in this because Moslems and Christians disagree on many issues when it comes to Jesus Christ, the Trinity, is Jesus the son of God or God himself, his life, the story of the crucifixion etc.
Third: I think some moslems among radicals will find this painting offensive not because it represents Jesus as Ossama, but in the contrary because it portarys Ossama as Jesus. For some radicals, Ossama is "an icon", "a hero",and "defender of Islam" which of course I disagree with.
Fourth: I guess certain westerners among those who are too conservative will react to this painting not only beacuse it disfigures the image of Christ but also because he is portraryed as a "terrorist" and guess what " a moslem terrorist" which makes the situation even worse. I am waiting to see the reaction of Christian hardliners on this issue and I think you can agree with me that the history of Christianty is not immune from violence. christianty like Islam and Judaism have their moments of violence and hatred as well as those of peace and tolerance.
Fifth: I cannot predict the dgree or nature of Westerners' reaction to this painting but I can say that the reaction of Moslems to the Danish cartoons even though it was a bit over the limits I think it was understandable from the point of view of a moslem who feels that his or her Prophet, the highest symbol of Islam, is being denigrated.
Hi Hannibal,
"First: Islam forbids the portrayal of the Prophet (PBUH) which is not the case for Christianity where Jesus Christ (PBUH)can be represented in painting, sculpture etc. So here it is a question of principle."
Objection! Relevance?
Ditto on your 2,3 and 4.
"Fifth: I cannot predict the dgree or nature of Westerners' reaction to this painting"
Well, I can, Hannibal... which explains why you didn't understand the rest of my comment. I can (and do) predict that the reaction will be lawful.
That's how we do it here in the US... we have long history with Freedom of Expression. You yourself pointed out the lawful and civil way in which the Department of Defense responded with a "letter of complaint" to the Washington Post re: that hideously offensive cartoon they published.
Craig I think it is you now who didn't get the meaning and relevance of my 1-2-34 answers to your question:) "Do you think Moslems will be offended by that, Hannibal? Or do you really expect westerners to react like Arab moslems?"
I tried to explain why Moslems will be offended or not by the paintings.
As a reminder late in October Moslem representatives in Denmark asked for legal procedures against the Danish newspaper but their request was refused (check the chronology of events).Unfortunately a minority has turned to violence but violence in the West we are familiar with ( look at the history of Northern Ireland).
It is not a question of "long history of freedom of expression" or not it is a question of how not to manipulate the freedom of expression to serve a certain double standard political agenda, change regimes and kill innocent people. All is relative my friend :P
The Post cartoon cannot be compared to the Danish ones.
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